Episode 24 1:38 Low Current & ELV EN · العربية

DALI · KNX · DMX · 0-10V, what each one can actually do

DALI, KNX, DMX, 0-10 V and the wireless meshes, with the numbers that decide which one a Gulf project can actually commission. The Bluetooth SIG's own lighting specification family is called NLC Profiles, for Networked Lighting Control, which is a coincidence we are going to enjoy.

An office ceiling of linear luminaires, each row at a different dim level
Animated explainer, press play to watch the concepts now; the filmed cut publishes once production wraps.

What you'll walk away with

Four ideas to carry into the next specification conversation you have.

01

0-10V is a voltage on a wire.

0-10 V is two protocols wearing one name. In ANSI E1.3 the controller sources the current; in IEC 60929 Annex E, and ANSI C137.1 for LED drivers, the driver sources it and the controller sinks it. No 0-10 V standard fixes one dimming curve either: IEC 60929 sets only the end points and ANSI C137.1-2022 allows linear or logarithmic, which is why PNNL fed 23 LED streetlights identical control voltages and measured about 53 percentage points of spread in relative power draw.

02

DALI is a digital lighting bus.

A DALI-2 subnet carries 64 control gear AND 64 control devices, 128 addresses on one pair. The bare "64" figure is DALI version-1. Polarity insensitivity is a DALI-2 requirement with an exception that bites: devices containing a bus power supply are marked DA+ and DA-. And the curve is logarithmic, so level 127 is 3.1% light, not half; half the light is level 229.

03

KNX is the whole-building bus.

KNX twisted pair is ISO/IEC 14543-3-6. Part 3-7 is radio, and parts 3-10 and 3-11 in the same numbering family are energy-harvesting protocols that are not KNX at all. Every KNX ISO part is still Edition 1.0, dated 2006 and 2007, so KNX Secure cannot be in the ISO/IEC text. And ANSI/ASHRAE 135, which KNX literature lists among its credentials, is BACnet.

04

Wireless adds Zigbee, Bluetooth Mesh, Thread.

Wireless is real, and it now has a standards track: the Bluetooth SIG's NLC Profiles, seven of them including HVAC integration. What to check is the assurance level. Proprietary meshes are candid about it: interoperability is achieved by every product running the same vendor's firmware, which is a feature and a lock-in at the same time. Casambi is one of them: it runs its own mesh on a Bluetooth LE radio, not the SIG's, and one network holds up to 250 units. Ask who holds the commissioning licence and the project file at handover.

A NAME WE DID NOT CHOOSE
The Bluetooth lighting standard is called NLC
DMX512no certificateKNXcertifiedDALI-2certifiedspectestlistedopen is three different assurance levels, not one
Ask what "open" buys you, and whether the exact product is in a database anyone can search.
SEVEN PROTOCOLS, ONE TABLE
What each protocol can actually do
speedcapacitytalks backlisting0-10 VanaloguenoaddressesnononeDALI-21200 bit/s64 + 64yesdatabaseDMX512250 kbit/s512 slotswithRDMnoneKNX TP9600 bit/s64 or 256yesdatabaseBluetoothmesh1 Mbit/sradio32,767addressesyesSIGdatabaseZigbee250 kbit/sn/ayesCSAdatabaseCasambin/aup to 250unitsyesvendoronlyn/a: no published figure, so none is printed
Four of the seven have a public product listing; DMX512 and 0-10 V have none. Casambi runs its own mesh, not the SIG's.
WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE DRAWINGS
Four wiring rules, and only one is a chain
0-10 Vone pair per zone,no addressesDALI-2line, star or tree,never a loopKNX TPno ring; 64 or 256per segmentDMX512terminated line,32 unit loads120 Ω
Only DMX512 is a chain; 0-10 V is a pair per zone.
GET THE NAME RIGHT FIRST
DALI-2 is a certification, not a version
the certificate is a row keyed on all four fieldsbrandmatchesGTINmatchesfirmwareupdatedhardwarematchesthis build is not certifieda company is not DALI-2, a specific build is
So SASO 2927 saying "DALI" does not require DALI-2. A company cannot be DALI-2; a product build can.
A lighting control panel: a DIN rail of plain grey control modules with green status LEDs and grey bus cables looping between their terminals

Seven protocols, one table

Per IEC 62386, ANSI E1.11-2024, the KNX TP1 system documents, the Bluetooth Mesh Protocol and the CSA and Casambi published limits. Where no publisher gives a figure, none is printed.

Protocol Capacity Speed, feedback and listing
0-10 Vno addressesOne-way analogue level. Two interfaces share the name, and there is no public listing
DALI-264 + 641200 bit/s, two-way, DALI Alliance public database. 250 mA and 300 m per subnet
DMX512512 slots250 kbit/s, 32 unit loads per link, 44 updates per second at a full universe. Two-way with RDM; what a BMS sees depends on the gateway. No certification programme
KNX TP64 or 256 per segment9600 bit/s, two-way. 64 per segment with TP1-64 devices, 256 with TP1-256, within the supply current and device mix. KNX Association public database
Bluetooth mesh (NLC)32,767 addressesPer network, one per element, not per luminaire. Bluetooth SIG qualified product database
Zigbee250 kbit/sIEEE 802.15.4 mesh with no published network maximum. CSA certified products search
Casambiup to 250 unitsIts own mesh on a Bluetooth LE radio, not the SIG's; up to 250 nodes per network (127 on Classic). No independent certification
THE NUMBERS THAT SIZE A SUBNET
64 is the most misquoted number in lighting control
one subnet, 128 addresses on the pair64 control gear64 control devices250 mA from every bus supply on the pair60 mA60 mA60 mA60 mA4 D4i supplies at 60 mA10 mA sparecount the supplies, not just the addresses
A DALI-2 subnet carries 64 control gear AND 64 control devices, 128 addresses on the same pair. The old "64 devices" figure is DALI version-1, when control devices were not on the bus.
THE 300 METRE FIGURE
300 m is the ceiling, not a promise
0.5 mm²112 m0.75 mm²168 m1.0 mm²224 m1.5 mm²336 m2.5 mm²560 m300 m recommended maximumvoltage-drop limit: 2 V at the full 250 mA
Size the run from the voltage drop first, then check it against 300 m. On thin cable, the drop decides.
WHY THE CURVE MATTERS
The dimming curve is the real argument against 0-10 V
0%50%100%if it were linearlevel 1273.1% lightlevel 22950.5% light1127229254arc power level0.1%1%10%100%×10×10×10every 84 levels is ten times the light
DALI's curve is logarithmic and exact: level 1 is 0.1%, level 254 is 100%, and every step is a constant 2.77% larger than the last. So level 127, dead centre, is 3.1% light, and half the light is level 229.
SPEED TELLS YOU WHAT IT IS FOR
DALI is a building bus, and the timing proves it
DALI 8-bit reply9.17 msDALI 16-bit command15.83 msDMX full universe22.70 msone message, start to finish
The "1 ms DMX refresh" figure is wrong. Cite ANSI E1.11-2024 and ANSI E1.20-2025, not the 2008 and 2010 editions.
TWO PROTOCOLS, ONE NAME
0-10 V is not one interface
controllerdrivercontroller sourcesANSI E1.3controllerdriverdriver sourcesIEC 60929 Annex EANSI C137.1
IEC 60929 Annex E specifies no off state; ANSI C137.1 defines standby at or below 0.5 V. Check which one the driver follows.
A site laptop running a commissioning screen, linked by a bus interface to a two-core control cable

Choosing the right protocol

Five corrections that change what goes into the specification.

DALI-2 is a certification, not a version.

DALI-2 is a certification programme, not a protocol version. The protocol is IEC 62386; DALI-2 is granted to a specific product with a specific GTIN, firmware and hardware version, and the DALI Alliance's product database is the certificate: "DiiA does not issue test reports or product certification documents." A company cannot be DALI-2. Note also that "DALI-8" does not exist; it is a garbled reference to device type 8, which is colour.

DALI's 300 m is a ceiling, not a promise.

The DALI Alliance gives 300 m as the recommended maximum between any two devices, on 1.5 mm² cable at a total bus supply current of 250 mA. Lunatone and Tridonic give the reason: at most 2 V drop on the line. Thinner cable reaches that drop sooner: worst case, with the full current at the far end, 0.5 mm² reaches it at 112 m. Size the run from the voltage drop first, then check it against 300 m. On a D4i run count the supplies too: each D4i driver's bus supply is on by default, four at 60 mA reach 250 mA, and from the fifth luminaire the supplies must be switched off. The DALI Alliance's guide adds that a closed loop should not be used.

SASO 2927 permits 0-10 V on road luminaires.

SASO's January 2020 workshop on SASO 2927:2019 lists the driver programme for street, road and tunnel luminaires as "DALI (preferable) or 0-10V dimmable", with a 7-pin NEMA socket "capped (short-circuited)" on the fixture base. That sets the permitted options; it says nothing about how much of either is installed. The standard's own text is sold by SASO and AMD2:2023 exists, so check the current edition before quoting a clause. The bridge from that socket to digital control has a name: D4i, which the DALI Alliance states is compatible with ANSI C136.41 sockets and Zhaga Book 18. The current edition of the socket standard is ANSI C136.41-2025.

DMX512 does not refresh in 1 ms.

ANSI E1.11-2024 Table 6 caps a full 513-slot universe at 22.7 ms, 44 updates per second, on a 250 kbit/s EIA-485 line terminated with 120 Ω and limited to 32 unit loads per link. The 1 ms figure circulates everywhere and is simply wrong. Cite DMX512 as ANSI E1.11-2024 and RDM as ANSI E1.20-2025, not the 2008 and 2010 editions almost every article still cites. RDM adds feedback on the same pair: the controller discovers fixtures by binary-tree search over 48-bit unique IDs and can ask them for status, sensor readings and faults. Whether a BMS sees any of it depends on the gateway: most expose levels or programmed points, not fixture health.

In the Gulf, check each product's rated ambient.

Datasheet examples: the Lunatone DALI-2 PS bus supply (24033444) is rated -20 to +55 °C, IP20; the MDT STC-0640.01 KNX power supply 0 to +45 °C; the Casambi CBU-ASD-LR node -20 to +50 °C, its output derated from +40. These are product ratings, not protocol limits: in a 40 to 50 °C corridor or car park, choose parts rated for the space or cool the enclosure. Check the mains rating too: the CBU-ASD-LR input is rated 50 Hz only, and Saudi mains is 60 Hz. PIR sensing needs contrast as well: the Lunatone DALI-2 CS Corridor (88793325) quotes its 5 m range at a temperature difference above 8 °C and needs at least 4 °C, so a body close to ambient is harder to detect.

CITE THE RIGHT DOCUMENT
Three citation traps in one subject
ISO/IEC 14543-3, the family people cite from3-6KNX twistedpairthe one you cite3-7KNX radionot twisted pair3-10, 3-11energyharvestingnot KNX at allEdition 1.0 · 2006 and 2007 · never revisedcite the part, not the family
IEC 62386-202:2009 (emergency) was withdrawn on 15 December 2022. Cite Edition 2.0.
FROM DRIVER TO HEAD END
The gateway decides what the BMS sees
BMShead endgatewaycontrolbusfielddevicessees only what a gateway mapsDALI-2objectmapping64 + 64addressesdrivers,sensorsKNX TPobjectmappinggroupaddressesactuators,sensorsDMX512via agateway512 slots+ RDMfixtures0-10 Vno databackone levelper pairdriversthe gateway decides what the BMS sees
DALI-2 and KNX report back. With RDM, DMX512 can too: status, sensor readings, faults.
WHAT ONE GATEWAY COSTS
Sixty-three fixtures in, twenty objects out
63 DALI devices20 KNX objectsgatewaymotion, type 3not supportedpushbutton, type 1not supportedone head-end object for every 3.15 fixtures
The Lunatone KNX-DALI Gateway (89453899), DALI-2 and KNX certified, handles up to 63 DALI devices but offers 20 KNX gates; motion (type 3) and push-button (type 1) events do not cross.
THE SAUDI POSITION
SASO 2927 permits DALI or 0-10 V on road luminaires
SASO 2927DALI (preferable)0-10V dimmablenames the driver programmeMostadam0 hitsacross 7 protocol namesnames no protocol at all
SASO's 2020 workshop on SASO 2927:2019 lists the road-luminaire driver programme as "DALI (preferable) or 0-10V dimmable", with a 7-pin NEMA socket capped. That is a permitted option, not an installed share.
THE GULF CHECK
Check the rated ambient, product by product
unconditioned space, 40 to 50 °CLunatone DALI-2 PSclears the space by 5 °C-20 to +55 °CMDT STC-0640.01 (KNX)5 °C short of the space0 to +45 °CCasambi CBU-ASD-LRno margin, derates from +40 °C-20 to +50 °C-20020405060ambient, °Ccheck each product's rated ambient
Datasheet examples: the Lunatone DALI-2 PS bus supply is rated -20 to +55 °C, the MDT STC-0640.01 KNX supply 0 to +45 °C, and the Casambi CBU-ASD-LR node -20 to +50 °C, derating from +40. Product ratings, not protocol limits.
Put these in the tender

Five questions, all answerable

Each one has a published answer: a database entry, a datasheet line or a contract clause. None of them can be met with an adjective.

1. Is the exact product build in the DALI Alliance or KNX database?

2. How many head-end objects does the gateway expose, for how many fixtures?

3. Which sensor instance types cross it?

4. What is each device's rated ambient where it will be installed?

5. Who holds the commissioning software licence and the project file at handover, in writing?

Question 5 is the lock-in question: an ETS licence and project file on KNX, a configuration backup on DALI, a vendor account on a proprietary mesh.

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